Important note: lending money between forum members

Tyler Durden

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Recently there have been here and there times smaller or larger incidents because some users have borrowed money from each other here, which has also disrupted the peace here in the Forum.

Basically, anyone who borrow money from another User should be aware that this money can be gone. You can lend money, but, as with gambling, should only give money to other people here, what you can easily afford to lose. This rule basically applies to the entire Internet but in particular to gambling sites.

Gamblers are also on the move on gambling sites. People who are either extremely game-savvy and therefore do everything to get money in the short term. Or, because of the game addiction, you have acute pressing financial problems, for which you are looking for solutions and then ask other users for money here, which you can not realistically repay.

I do not think that the users here ask for money from the beginning have the intention not to repay it but it will end up in the end and in most cases at the end of it. If, for example, someone has to borrow 300€ and offers to repay it in 50€ or 100€-steps, then it is difficult for him (probably without gambling addiction) to save this 300€. How hard must it be first with gambling addiction over 3 or even 6 months to rush together and to pay the paid installments on time and also to fight against the gambling addiction?

This must always be made aware before giving money! This applies not only to this Forum, but it also applies to the private environment, if you lend money to players.

Personally, I have often borrowed money from other players and have only gained bad experiences - with one exception-so far. It did not matter whether the player was wealthy or not so wealthy. I list a few examples on from people whom I have borrowed money in recent years and didn't get back:

  • I borrowed a 43-year-old High Roller in the casino Stuttgart € 1,000, because he had exceeded the daily limit of his bank cards and wanted to gamble something. I almost plundered my entire private account back then and told him that too. But I was also sure that I will get it back a few days later. After all, the player earns 30.000€ net a month-which in its playing style must actually be so. The end of the song was that the player was "on business trip" and then it got lost somehow. A year later, I still didn't get the money. Currently he has some serious problems with the Tax Office ...
  • I also borrowed money from another player once (how much it was I don't know anymore but it wasn't so much). Anyway, I was waiting for the money for months. Then I had a lucky streak and this player, who never had money but was extremely game-savvy, that I give him the money, because he can not repay it anyway. Only a few days later this player has cracked a Jackpot of€ 20,000 at William Hill. If I had been, then I would have voluntarily repaid the borrowed money and maybe even 100€ or 200€ added-Even if he had given me the money before more or less forcibly. But nothing came from this player on a voluntary Basis and I didn't do it anymore.
  • I used to give players€ 10,€ 20 or€ 50 begging and let me soften. Most of the time I gave away the money when I had a big profit. The result was always that he came back after 10 minutes and wanted to borrow or have given money.
  • I once lent money to a player in the casino Stuttgart after a higher profit. The player was not rich. I would say upper middle class because her husband had a relatively good running business. She needed at short notice 500€, because she had to pay something but the money she got from her husband playful or otherwise barred. Her husband doesn't know she's going to gamble, and I helped her hide this by borrowing her $ 500. She even made a real private loan contract with me and told me that I would definitely get the money back because I had a leverage with her husband. The first two installments in the amount of 100€ were also paid but after that there was a Problem in a month and they wanted to push what I also accepted. Since then, nothing has gone into my account ...
  • But I had the worst experience in Malta. When I won € 6,000 at Lucky Ladies ' Charm at Dragonara Casino, a pretty compassionate player came to me and asked me if I could lend him€ 50. He has pressed so strongly on the lacrimal gland, that he is so poor and sick, and the money is not lost, that I loaned him 50€. I just wanted to have my rest after the Big Win and told him that the 50€ are given. Two days later I was back at Dragonara Casino with a Maltese buddy. A few more machines sat the player I gave€ 50, as he talked about me with another old Maltese and somehow so disgusting dirty grinned. My Malta buddy told me the player was laughing at me. He said something like, " I fucked the guy well, said I needed the money urgently, and he even gave it to me."
The Malta mate told me that the player in Malta is known as mentally ill but well, I do not think that this has something to do with illness, but rather with A*******of course. Anyway, I decided not to lend any more money to any player. It just doesn't matter.

I can only give you the tip of not lending to players. You should also ask yourself, why the one here in the Forum relatively foreign people must ask for money. I mean everyone has any friends who could help out with amounts up to 500€ or 1,000€. You should ask yourself before borrowing money, why the friends or relatives that everyone has, do not help them out?

If you give money to other players, it's a gift for you and when it comes back, it's beautiful and if not, it's disappointing but not bad either. Give only money which you can easily afford to lose. I don't want to read here in the Forum anymore, the one or the one does not give me my money again
 
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I think by now, as much as you want to help , that it does not really help the person concerned ( as a game addict).It may even worsen its Situation.
 

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I think by now, as much as you want to help , that it does not really help the person concerned ( as a game addict).It may even worsen its Situation.
Yes, in most cases, one does not help one, but only prolong the suffering and helps the addict to stay in its comfort zone. I don't even exclude myself. And thank God, I'm a little different on that point. If I don't have money, then I can't gamble - even though I had times when it was hard. But if I had always been able to borrow money, I would have gone through not only hard times, but only a little less hard times but hard times that have been prolonged. I'm also sure that if someone had always lent me money or I had always borrowed it, I would now have significantly bigger problems and could complete worse with gambling, because of the time still debt would be there.

You should also ask yourself, before you want to borrow money here, whether this really helps you in the long term or medium-term. Maybe it is sometimes better that you go through hard times (to go to the table, times nen month must live without electricity, times experienced other hardships but then you have at least no private debt, which additionally burden a soul).

Often players are asked for money after they have won. You don't need to have a bad conscience to refuse "help" and say no. Why should you help and trust people you hardly know? Other players are not entitled to your winnings (if you win). You also have family and can help with the money poorer family members who do not gamble.
 

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Can only sign it.
Don't lend money to others, especially strangers. And more importantly, no gamblers.
It often happened that, at the time in the arcade, someone sat next to me and wanted to borrow money.
He then sat on it, and for every€ 5 that were gone on my machine, he said: "You See, you could have lent me now."
He did the whole thing about 20 times until I exposed him by making him an announcement which the whole hall heard.

I like to help people in need - who is hungry, I like to give a doner with a drink.
Most of the time, however, this is rejected because people want to buy drugs, alcohol or anything else.
Beggars (in Germany) I basically give no money, and I like to let a verbal strike exchange.
In Germany, no one has to beg for money, and if so, then he is either illegal here or does not get his neck full.

Again on the topic of lending money:
In most cases, it is quite urgent, and it is thanked at length.
On the day of repayment, however, time is left, usually you have to run after the money..
It's going to be talked out, moved, moved again, made out the phone..
 

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Borrow money back or forth, so you do not raise a gambler. He will always find ways and means somewhere / how to raise funds. As long as the cause of the drama is not localized and corrected, the one has no Chance anyway.
 

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Yes, but that was also a slightly different Situation. As I said, the guy is an extreme High Roller and if he won, then he threw me from time to time, 50€ or 100€ in my machine. But then I did it a lot so that it was balanced. He has already visited me in Malta, so I knew the player relatively well. I have also borrowed him from time to time 200€ at short notice and get again and again. In this case, I was really convinced 99.99% that I'll get the money two days later. This is a player when it is not well running out of his Limit. He has 4 Bank accounts and from each account, he has withdrawn to a poor evening of€ 4,000 and 4 boxes (min. 5 € Bet per Spin) at the same time playful. Sometimes he waited till 0: 00 that he can withdraw money from his cards again. On the evening it was just all crass and he had lost 4,000€ and at 0 o'clock again 4,000€ lifted off the then an hour later were gone. I then just lifted him off 1K and lent him, so he can try again. As I said under these conditions, I thought that the money will come back to almost 100%.

But as you can see, even under the best conditions it can not come back and you always have to expect a loss. Even if you would see Bill Gates playing in the casino or arcade, you should be careful when lending money
 

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Meanwhile, I also think that one does not help the addict at all, you just push it up. And force someone to seek help, that's no good. The one who just has to recognize it himself and most do it only when the stress of suffering is really bad.
 

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It's hard to get back on your feet these days for someone who really screwed up Financial Times.
Many gamblers make a mistake. They even make many and serious mistakes in life. Living on Pump, don't pay off their loans or debts, borrow money from friends and family to rip it off.
The fatal thing is however, when you actually have nothing, no job, no apartment, no possessions or money and you can't fall deeper, one realizes ONLY THEN, can we not go further and his life drastically needs to change.
Only then you get no help anymore. The Bank gives a due to the poor credit rating no credit for a new beginning, friends and family borrow a nothing more and without work no apartment, without apartment no work etc.
Of course, there is state aid or facilities. But let's be honest, until you fought your way through this mountain of applications and forms, you are either starved to death or fell from the next bridge.
We had a case of a 20-year-old player, who was often found in our gaming library. That evening, however, he sat sad and bitter in front of a machine and did not play. A player spoke to him at the time and asked what was going on. He said he was thrown out of home, had no money for food and would not know where to sleep. He was on all authorities, labour office, social services, Caritas etc and was always rejected and somewhere else. I don't know the whole story but ultimately he had a fatal car accident and I personally guess that was not an accident but intention. Under the welfare state, I actually envisage something different than driving young people into suicide.
 

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I don't like these normal games with the standard visitors for at least ten years. Basically, since many average citizens have found their way to the boxes.
If I ever, rarely, want to go to a gaming library, then only to Frankfurt to the station / red light district.
Then all the H**s, special items, etc.hang on the vending machines. The mood is a little whimsical, but pleasant. It also comes in interesting conversation recently with an old Greek guest-worker who has worn his whole life's work bit by bit on a regular basis in the Spielos.
What I want to say, in any case, in such an environment no one comes up with the idea of selling others for stupid, and to stop money, whatever. It is a rough environment, with clear unwritten rules. And the mood is good.
If I occasionally look at these Youtube Heinis, which show up next to a Slot, as they pull off their stupid Show, well, then I'm glad to never see such Clowns in a real gaming library. Youtube has taken me on this Forum "get" that Daniel has produced almost the only one retarded Videos.
 

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It's very simple. In such an environment, no one comes close to any unpleasant, because any unpleasant action has guaranteed unpleasant consequences.
 

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When I was 2. When I was at a casino at the Blackjack table, I played at a full table. Most at the table played with stakes of 10-30€, only one Highroller sat there, which played each round with the maximum table.
In one round I bought myself over and so "saved"the whole table. The Highroller has me then nen Chip with my losing stake as a "Thank you" over and flicked.
That was the only time I took it, but that was more of a "there haste" than a " just borrowed"

After my money Sorgenthead here the other day I have a few users per PN uA offered me a little under the arms to grab, be it with a little money or Paysafe cards. I found these offers very touching, even if I would never accept them. Just because I don't think you're doing this...I just think it's educational. I was just beaten up so that you do not spend any foreign money. But only the willingness of a foreign Person with a small amount to help I really liked very much.

Sad that you had to make so many negative experiences in Daniel. I can't understand anything at all, I would be ashamed in the ground and put everything imaginable in motion to settle my debts. Really sad.
 

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I think this experience has been given to every gambler ever made money and never seen again. What I personally find worse is that you put a years of friendship on the line, without considering the main thing you have the money, which is spoiled in a few hours.
I could write a book about the fates of some people, I have experienced everything, dramas of wives because the man in a day has playful all the pay etc. another one had sunk his reward and the Christmas money within 3 days on 4 boxes and as a farewell gift he has all 4 boxes totally together and the worst thing I had experienced was a killing offence at the wife, this man had a good forwarding business but was every day from morning till evening in the Spilo his wife then One day they had such a violent marriage crash that he kicked her into the stomach and left her lying in the bedroom only she had just had an Operation in the abdomen and this wound has burst internally and she died from it. That gave the man nine years. I could tell a lot more also how to play 230 000,00 DM in 2 years this is also ratzefatz.
 

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If you hear all this... it's really bad. It's really bad looking. I also often had money problems, but always something to eat and so. Never huge debt mountains. The only thing that often happens to me is that I excite the Dispo, but that is enough for me already the one you have to compensate sometime and pay interest...
 

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I think it's up to everyone to decide for themselves if they take the risk of borrowing a gambling-addicted money.
I also refer to myself as a game addict, and since it is quite really extremely high amounts that I have lost.
I also have a number of debts to repay, but I could not agree with my conscience to repay anything.
If I borrow something, I'll pay it back, that's a matter of Honor. Of course, it may take longer, to need you can also work it, if you get borrowed for example from an independent what and is not able to pay off the debt you could work in his company.

And as a Tip to all if your someone borrows what the maybe says he has nothing to eat or can not pay his electricity or rent:

Before the danger exists that he can not control himself and carries the money into the Spielo, simply buy a voucher or go shopping with him.
So instead of giving him 50 Euro which he then maybe spoiled, give him nen 50 euro voucher of net or Edeka, that is always useful.
 

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gambling debts are debt of honour, not otherwise
the one who wants to borrow money for a short game fun should perhaps consider that he only goes deeper.
I can't go to my boss every week and ask for advance.
since I think that the bosses here also have a certain moral responsibility I am for that money lending and borrowing via the forum should be generally banned.
 

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Bans do not bring anything. If two people understand each other well and communicate via Live Chat and then borrow each other money, then this is the private thing between two adult people. But if there are then problems, then these problems should also be carried out privately and no longer publicly in the Forum.

We are neither gods, nor judges, nor the police, nor the parents of the members here. It may also be that the two players here from the Forum private, and then borrow money and, at the latest, since we have no influence. I personally can only advise anyone to borrow money and make a recommendation. Then it is up to you (adult) people, what you make of the recommendations.

It would be a different thing if a member would constantly worship and spam all the other members in the private chat and feel disturbed by the begging. In that case, we would intervene.
 

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can also connect with previous speakers and say, you mean it well...didn't waste any thought in my case that I might not see it again.
 

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Yeah, I'm really sorry for you. But who knows, maybe you'll get it again, just a little later. Otherwise, it just as unfortunately have to record as an educational allowance.
 

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No, because ds is a character issue. Because I would be ashamed to die in his place.
Because it's an honor to pay debts back.
Because otherwise it shows, that he only rip off all.

In my Generation, that was the case.
Certain decency to keep promises, not to rip off any that will help you in need!

But things like that are out these days.
As a result, Avantgarde is made a perpetrator because he makes it public,
and something characterless as Hammer to the victim.
 

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